We spoke with Celia's friend from another war–Kevin Corbett, from London, who has 37 years experience as a registered nurse, and who decries the cruel nursing practices in place in the age of Covid-19. He describes how many core nursing practices are routinely violated, and how some of these violation can even be life-threatening. The "other war" was HIV/AIDS. Corbett was on the forefront of the corrupt science there also, and published important papers that found deception in HIV testing protocols. Celia would like you to know this was one of her favorite interviews ever, as it speaks to the importance of compassion and kindness, against this cold viral tyranny, where they would wish us to not even behave with the decency of robots.